Geothermal vs. high-efficiency gas furnace

by Peter
(Annandale, Virginia)

I have a gas furnace that is about 20 years old and on its last legs. I am considering replacing it with a geothermal system or a high-efficiency (96.6% AFUE) gas furnace. I understand the huge monthly savings geothermal offers, but how does the high-efficiency gas furnace compare? Thank you.

Answer from Green Energy Efficient Homes

In general a ground source geothermal system will cost you quite a bit more up front than a high-efficiency furnace, but will probably save you a lot of money over its operating lifetime, when compared to any form of fossil-fuel based heat, because you are getting free heat from the earth (and cooling as well) for just a small contribution of electricity to run the system.

According to the US Department of Energy, a geothermal heat pump should cost about $2,500 per ton of capacity, with $7,500 for a 3-ton unit being typical for a home application. If you compare this to the cost of a high efficiency furnace plus air conditioner (since the geothermal heat pump can do both), you're probably looking at $4,000. Of course that assumes you actually need central air conditioning, or have an inefficient air conditioner that needs replacing.

When I had a geothermal company give me a quote a few years ago for my Toronto home, a geothermal system (with vertical loop) was going to cost $35,000, while a horizontal loop, assuming there had been a yard big enough for them to dig it into, would have cost around $20,000. At that price, there was no way I could justify a geothermal heating system. But clearly prices have come a long way down since then, and you can also get generous tax credits in many states and provinces (and from some federal governments as well) that offset a chunk of the cost. Note that you can also get generous tax credits for installing high-efficiency furnaces and air conditioners, so if you're doing a cost comparison don't forget to factor in the credits on both sides of the comparison.

Let's do a little math to figure out how much energy you'd save using a geothermal system, compared to a 96.6% AFUE furnace. A typical geothermal system can extract between 3.8 and 4 units of heat energy from the ground, per unit of electrical energy consumed. That means the system appears to be almost four times as efficient as the high-efficiency furnace (380% compared to 96.6%).

Except that the electricity itself is not generated at 100% efficiency. If it is generated from a fossil fuel in a high efficiency gas turbine, only 60% of the energy in the gas is converted into electrical energy. With transmission losses of 6-9% of that 60% between the power plant and you, only 55-56% of the original heat energy from the natural gas even reaches your home. For older coal-fired plants, which can operate at efficiencies in the low to mid thirties, with similar transmission losses, only 30-35% of the heat energy from the coal reaches your home as electricity. So now we have a geothermal system at 380% efficiency running on gas-generated electricity that arrives at your home at 30-56% efficiency, which means the geothermal system is only operating at somewhere between 115% (coal) and 215% (gas) efficiency in terms of total energy used in the system. Compare that to the 96.6% AFUE of a new gas furnace, and the geothermal system is somewhere between 11% and 107% more efficient than the 96.6% AFUE furnace.

For a total cost of ownership comparison, you then have to make some assumptions about raw energy costs. It seems pretty likely that in the long term both coal and natural gas will become considerably more expensive than they are now. Supplies of natural gas are dwindling, and with the likelihood of carbon cap and trade legislation, a carbon tax, or carbon sequestration requirements on generating stations, there will be strong pressure for power generators to switch away from coal to natural gas (since coal produces a lot more CO2 per kilowatt hour of electricity generated than natural gas does). That will drive prices up for coal-generated electricity (even if the coal price itself falls as a result of reduced demand - because of the added cost of carbon trading, carbon tax, or sequestration), and it will also drive up demand for natural gas (as more and more new power plants are built to run on the less harmful fuel). The end result is increased natural gas prices. So whatever you think you'll be paying for natural gas now, you'll be paying a lot more for it in 5-10 years - double or more sounds reasonable to me.

If your home site lends itself to a horizontal loop installation, which is typically much less expensive than a vertical loop, you may be able to justify a geothermal installation on economic terms alone. But if you want to do your part to reduce your carbon footprint, I would think a geothermal system can easily be justified on a combination of financial and environmental grounds. Consider the fact that if you switch to a green electricity supplier, you can run a geothermal system and not release any CO2 into the atmosphere, whereas with a natural gas furnace you pretty much can't avoid releasing CO2. Not only that, but your energy saving geothermal system can heat your home, cool your home, and even heat your hot water, all with no CO2 emissions on site and with little human-generated energy use.

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Oct 14, 2011
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Geothermal in San Diego?
by: Kay

Inspired by Jeff's comment I made my math (I hope I got it right) to see if replacing my really old furnace (unknown age and efficiency) with a geothermal heat pump makes sense.
I pay $0.26 per kWh electricity and $1.15 per therm (1 therm = 29.3 kWh), which translates to $0.04 per kWH for gas.
I used up to 60 therms per month in winter which cost me $69 at the current gas price. Those 60 therms are the equivalent of 1758 kWh. Assuming a COP of 4 (the new systems I looked at - close loop - exceed this only marginally for heating) this translates into 439 kWh of electricity being used by the heat pump. Those 439 kWh costs me $114.27 at our current rate here in San Diego.
So in short I would pay 65% more to switch to the geothermal heat pump not including upfront installation costs and not taking into account the increased efficiency if I just got a new gas furnace with 95-97% efficiency.

Mar 31, 2011
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Propane w/ HE furnace vs. geothermal
by: TominMI

We're planning on building a new 2600 sq. ft. home here in Michigan. Propane is our only choice as far as "gas" goes. Geothermal is the alternative. We have enough land area to do a horizontal loop system. I'm going to assume that this is a "no-brainer" on which way to go. Somebody re-assure me here. THANKS!

Robin from Green-Energy-Efficient-Homes.com responds: It's not a no-brainer but the fact that you are on propane (very expensive) and can install a horizontal loop (much cheaper than a vertical loop) will make it easier for you to opt for geothermal. Michigan electricity costs are higher than many US states but not out of control, so geothermal should still be competitive from a cost perspective.

Whatever you decide, let us know. I'm sure folks following this thread would love to hear about your experience.

Feb 14, 2011
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Very helpful
by: Anonymous

I too was looking for this comparison. Thank you!

Jan 27, 2011
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Very helpful
by: Anonymous

Looking for facts on this comparison also, and most appreciative! Thank you!

Dec 14, 2010
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Economics of Efficiency
by: Steve

This is a tough one. I've been involved with renewable energy and efficiency for more than 30 years now. I've done retrofits of major high rises, residential systems, photovoltaics, geothermal. It always comes down to economics, and the truth is that a compelling economic argument cannot be made for renewables and high efficiency technologies in comparison to cheap fossil fuels. We are going to have to (or not) at some point bite the bullet and decide that it is not in the interests of humanity and the future of life on this planet to continue using fossil fuels, no matter how cheap or easily accessible (coal). What should it cost to heat and cool a home, provide lighting, electricity for our appliances and electronics? I don't know, but I do know we could afford to pay more each month - say $50. That would not break the bank. This is not an economic decision in the end, but a public policy decision. I know it's not easy, especially in these difficult times. But we are going to have to make that choice sooner or later. So if you can afford to buy a geothermal system, I'd do it. And if you can buy energy from a renewable energy plant through your utility, do that as well, and forget about the marginal cost difference between gas and electric. It's the right thing to do.

Dec 13, 2010
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Geothermal not as compelling as you think
by: Jeff

Geothermal is not as compelling as the manufacturers claim. Here's some real data.

I am currently on geothermal, with a 14 year old 5-ton Water Furnace. There is no natural gas available here, so my options are geothermal, propane or force-air electric. Geothermal wins hands-down.

But what if I had natural gas at the street? In central Indiana last winter, I used approximately 6,000 kWh from November through April beyond my spring/fall baseline usage (i.e. normal, non-heat usage). My furnace has a COP of 4, meaning that those 6,000 kWh of electricity put 24,000 kWh of heat in the house. A 97% efficiency gas furnace would need to burn 25,000 kWh worth of gas which costs 3.6 cents per kWh after converting a typical US cost of $10.95 per 1000 cubic feet to kWh. I pay 10 cents per kWh for electricity, so my winter bill amounts to $600 on geothermal vs. $900 on gas. Geothermal is about 30% cheaper, not bad.

But now factor in the upfront cost. I'm having my geothermal furnace replaced today with a new one that's costing $9,000 (just a change-out, the loop is already there and make the math even less compelling if it were included here). The gas+AC units would have cost around $4,000. The $300 a year savings will take 17 years to break even, at which point this furnace will be worn out and needing to be replace again (probably sooner, average lifetime is 15 years).

As another poster stated, shale gas means that natural gas supplies are abundant and prices should be stable for years.

Oct 23, 2010
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Cost for electric in NY state
by: Dave

Over the past 3 years they have found new ways of extracting gas from the ground and there is a estimated surplus for the next 5 years with what they have found today.

My question would be if I have a 1500 sq foot home in New York State and my present Furnace is 60,000btu's What should I expect to pay for electric for the month of January?
The cost of electric is .09/kilowatt

Aug 27, 2010
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Need to compare to air source heat pump particularly in the South
by: Anonymous

Good article, but it leaves out an important option: air source heat pumps. Particularly in warm to moderate climates, air source heat pumps offer many of the advantages of ground source heat pumps with much lower up front capital costs. Typically they are designed for the peak cooling load, and if the heat load is greater, then a supplemental heater is added for the really cold days. In the fridge north, air source is less desirable, because it becomes harder and harder to get heat from air as the temperature drops.

May 10, 2010
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Cost of Geothermal systems
by: Robin from Green Energy Efficient Homes

To the mechanical contractor in Michigan (May 5 2010 comment): Thanks for your input, and it's great that you can get an open loop geothermal system installed with a 4 year payback period. Unfortunately not everyone has access to a source of water for the heat exchange, and some of us don't have room for a horizontal loop either. In one of my main articles I indicated that for a vertical loop to be installed at my Toronto home, the cost was around $35,000 three years ago. I was expecting the price would have dropped now with all the increased interest in geothermal heating and cooling systems, but at a recent green living show I talked to several geothermal system installers about current pricing, and they all quoted me roughly the same price to do vertical drilled geothermal systems. Sadly geothermal is still outside the reach of many city folk with limited land around them to lay a horizontal loop, or no water (pond or lake or well) nearby for an open loop.

May 05, 2010
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Geothermal versus High Efficiency Gas Furnace
by: GAP

I am a mechanical Contractor in Michigan and recently compared the cost of a open loop Geothermal unit to the cost of installing a 95% efficiency natural gas furnace & 15 seer central air conditioner in a new home being built.

The total cost difference was less then $2000 with a annual energy projected savings of $550.00. That would be a less then 4 year payback period.

I have been installing Geothermal heating systems for 30 years and have installed all open loop systems which usually end up being between 1/2 & 2/3 the cost of a closed loop system.

Keep in mind that to have a open loop system you must have a good well and a place to get rid of the discharged water and the water quality needs to be acceptable with this type of system. A open loop system also has a higher efficiency rating then a closed loop system as well so there is extra saving there also.

Mar 30, 2010
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Answered my question
by: Anonymous

I was looking for this very comparison, and your comments were most helpful. Thank you.

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